Summary: Good, solid, very similar characteristics to rattan. Probably will out-last your rattan sticks.
Got some new polypropylene sticks from manventureoutpost.com (also available on Amazon.com). I had a friend, Jeremy Michael Jones, who also practices Kali recommend I get them. They're 32" in length and 1" in diameter, manufactured by Cold Steel. I've taken some photos of them next to other weapons so you can compare visually. From the description:
Unlike rattan, it resists mildew, and won’t dry out, warp, crack splinter or shrink, and with the use of a saw, it can easily be modified to any length...
...it is easy to clean and is so resistant to impact stresses and the elements, that it is virtually unbreakable and practically indestructible.
First impressions:
- Heavy. Heavier than my rattan ones. Not surprising given that many natural woody materials have a very high strength-to-weight ratio. Even my 1 1/2" diameter rattan sticks are lighter than these and these new ones that are only 1" diameter. To me this is both an advantage and a disadvantage.
- Good quality. They feel solid, sturdy, etc. In the photo you may notice that they look like they're put together in sections, but they are one solid piece. I think the sections are for grip and visual purposes.
- Slightly flexible. They slightly more bendy than rattan. I've never used white wax wood, but from what I've seen of it in videos this seems pretty similar. If you're used to rattan they feel fine.
- Look great. Visually, out of the box, they look fantastic. Would probably be excellent for demos.
- Vibration normal. Feedback from stick-to-your-hand is about the same as rattan. I was worried about this when I bought them because I've used some materials that are very poor in this regard. I give these a thumbs up so far.
- Comfortable, good grip. They're textured and have a close-to wood grain look and feel. They have a bamboo-like shape to them - not rattan. Bamboo tapers in and out at each 'seam', while rattan doesn't. it's not as significant as the bamboo taper though. Makes me think maybe the designer didn't know what rattan was, but I like the grip better. Bob Ross would call it a happy little mistake.If you view the large sized photo of this you can see the 'sections' as well as the grain.
- Durable, but to what end? I'm very skeptical about this claim. I gave them a few hard whacks on each other as well as with another rattan stick. Obviously they won't splinter, but after a good hard hit there is (of course) noticeable wear. I would imagine you could wear these down to a much smaller diameter eventually, but it would probably take awhile, but certainly less than a lifetime. Whoever deemed these "practically indestructible" probably has not met a serious Kali practitioner. We'll see though, maybe I'm way off and they'll out-live me.
Other thoughts:
- Probably can't carve a handle into them.. although you probably wouldn't want to with 1" diameter.
- If you use larger sticks (over 1" diameter) for conditioning reasons you'll probably be fine with these. While they're easier to hold, they're certainly heavier.
- I hit my hands and limbs a bunch with them. They hurt more than rattan, but not by much.
- Cost-wise these need to last 50-300% (.5-3x) longer than a rattan stick to be worth it for training. While I question their "indestructibleness" I do think they'll probably last longer. They're about $16-20 each wherever you buy them online. I looked a lot of places and basically anywhere you buy them they come out to about $45/pair including shipping.
Editor's opinion: Highly Recommended.



5 comments:
I have a bokken made out of the same stuff, and it's taken a whole lot of abuse over the last couple of years. It's scratched and nicked all over, but it's not significantly damaged in any way. The durability compares favorably to hickory, and much better than any cheaper wood.
I haven't spent enough time with the rattan sticks yet to compare that, but I suspect that the polypropolene will last a lot longer than any rattan you've ever used.
Awesome, that's good to hear. Hope these hold up just as well.
Also - that bokken must be HEAVY. Is it?
I use these in class twice a week and I can tell these will last for many more years. I have gone through at least 6 sets of normal sticks before i got these in a period of about 3 years. The cold steel sticks have lasted me 2 years and are barely marked at all.
I & my students have these & they have taken everything we throw at them.I train almost every day with them against my war post,tire dummy,tree & against my students so aside from a few dings & scratches they've deliver on every level.These are the perfect companion to the training knives we make.
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